In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. Nope but you will have your own luxuries instead, the fact that you knew what he was trying to pull off and decided toplan his demise in advanceand he won't have aclue until its too late. - If it is a sufficiently big map he will just cap before you even get to see the cap point. panzer ii ausf l luchs mit bildern panzer panzer ii. Sohow exactly do I do that? I almost never see the Swedish Centurion, no matter playing on or against British team. Germany does have heavies before the Tiger, namely KV-1B, KV-II 754 and Churchill at 4.0 and KV-1C at 4.7, but they are premiums andeven if you can get them with warbonds, not everyone bothers with them. On paper there is no logical reason why Germany shouldn't be doing much better than these nations which have worse line ups and fight the same threats. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. And T topically blow up now if you go through the turret. They usually tend to be just as useless as those M22s too. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. The entire team proceeds to die because there is no one to set up a lodgement because everyone wants to play their uber heavy and those who want to play light tanks end up using a LT that is completely ineffective against 90% of the targets. With a particular fixation on the M18, German players often complain about German vehicles and how they lack the mobility of their Allied opponents. His portfolio includes five books and several hundred historical articles.". If the team melts, the team melts. Better late then never, only took them 5 years to catch up. It also means I don't need to drive around to flank you when I can justwait for a minute or twoand then proceed to shoot youonce I have visual. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! What plans do you have to try and tackle this issue? One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that, No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--, Nuclear Sciences, Robotics, All Things Engineering, History,
Easier to spot in open terrain and gives you enough time for an aimed shot? The merits of ground vehicles rely on the triad--armor, firepower and mobility. Of course the thick armor and good gun can be an advantage. Turret armor>>>hull armor for a number of reasons. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. Terrible survivability (carousel and 3 crew). Are there plans to move overpowered vehicles (like Xp-50 or Su-11) to a more reasonable br rating? By King tiger turret is just a big flat sheet of 185mm armor. Well technically everyone suffers but you would have clicked on this otherwise. It's just so effective and has a good size-able ammunition pool. Probably you should just Okha the last bomb into the target, cause rearming takes too long anyways. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. Thank you for your attention and have a nice day! @Loongsheepwell, except that you can just lolpen the entire front with APDS. Sohow exactly do I do that? And the stock ammo of the german M48A2C is the same as the US/Chinese M48A1, but somehow the US/Chinese M48A1 is at a higher BR. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. Powered by Invision Community. Those T-Heavies are redicoulus. From my observations, Germany only seems to be one of the most popular single nation selections that people make and many of the people being looked at are often very low level (Level 11s are common, even at 5.X). For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. Tracks cover most of the hull so thats a no-go unless you're literally 10m away. It allows for the a pilot to manually set several engine-related perks on the aircraft while on the fly, with the most important being the radiator and the fuel mixture. Most of the time they use their speed to cap the mid point rather than setting up a scouting position. Considering Im an experienced player who has done quite well in some Germany tanks that have been thoroughly derided, Id lean towards saying youre justwrong. Once he has spotted you, you are basically dead. There's only one brit 6.7 with atgms, but theres like 5 total with stabs and apds, Also no, the long 88 does not go through T__ tanks with ease, you have to shoot for weakspots which is quite difficultif the enemy is moving or at long range. Your observations are not a statistical fact or some sort of general trend setting. Uptiers are a pervasive issue for every nation at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. Vehicles,
In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. You can penetrate e.g. But you can reach it fast enough as it'll be on your quarter of the map, the faster tank is the one whoneeds the half map. Not meta. Wouldn't you agree that having a small and fast vehicles helps immensely to flank? They still exist just can't be unlocked by new players anymore. Thus then other nations get the impression that Germany is both OP, but still their players while about wanting better tanks. In the early days I would have now I just think its better to grab a turtle and snipe, small and fast is for fun whenyou want to explore or get bored. I wouldn't say its off topic at all, map friendly brawling options fallsintocategory's the suffering community thinks Germany needs and in the upper low MBT department East Germany is suffering as the tanks are missingaltogetherlike some other nationsvehiclesand that right there is the very definition of "Suffering". You don't want that then that is fine, noted. Frontally there are no easy weakspots. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. Penetration isn't everything and it's wrong to assume that a heavy tank should be mostly immune to everything they face of similiar or lower BR. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. - If its not, he will hide and wait till you cap. War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details dungeon eagle, gungeon ant Apr 15, 2021 @ 4:26pm germany suffers panther at 5.7 (it should be higher) Last edited by dungeon eagle, gungeon ant ; Apr 15, 2021 @ 4:52pm The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. Especially for such high brs. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. Meanwhile, in the real world, while the Tiger II is waiting for its gun to steady to take a shot, the Centurion Mk3's stabilized gun lets it point precisely at the tiger's turret-face with swift ease. A Pz IV F2 can also lol pen a KV-1, Churchill or ARL-44 and probably knock them out with one shot from either front or side. None of this is specific to Germany or the Americans mind you. No, the good players, because we need to play with this.. other 90% of the other players, that only got enough braincells to press W. Just carry, its what I do. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. Germany suffers (and others too), balance, br, tanks, jets, etc. Same procedure as with Panthers. They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. East Germnay also has access to the BMP-2 as well. I invite others to list other claims of alleged German suffering so that those can be talked about. Allied CAS is absolutely by far and away superior, only the 37mm armed Bf-110G is superior to allied cas, it's actually really good. "situational" any map with a rock, wall, or building allows you to take advantage of the stabilizer. is getting boosted taking them out requires specific loadouts and concentration, which makes the CAS player very susceptible for enemy fighters, this is further exacerbated by the poor balance among the nations at different br.s. But if you miss me or I see that you are aiming at me, then it is easy for me to get in cover. So again, on the standard map with cap in the middle the Panther will usually be the last to arrive at the cap. Allied CAS has way more firepower than Axis one. It's as hard to shoot a the turret of a tiger 2 as it is to shoot a T series turret. As for the Panthers' turret traverse, except for the D variant, all are quite well suited for engagement at medium to long ranges. At least 5 times! To believe that mobility is the only thing matters is to ignore almost everything that matters in a match. I wouldn't mind more open maps, though I must admit I still prefer hard cover to range. The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. (Petrol tanks under turret basket magicallyexplode when turret penned). It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. I haven't had a single game with Germany either on the same or enemy team without there being a single puma. Don't know maybe deserve a new play again. However it does not. but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. When it comes to the points I made about the armor, I have had my AMX-13 bounce off the side turret numerous times, it really is that thick. Maus at 7.0? - During all that time you will be sitting in your spot hoping that the enemy pops up exactly where you predict it knowing that he could also pop up behind you. Panther 2s didnt disappear. Germany's problem,at least when it comes to ww2 vehicles, is lack of brawling vehicles past 5.7. .50 CALs are overpreforming by a mile. And that's just fighting american 6.7 with other 6.7s good luck in 5.7 vehicles when you get uptiered, lol. Least I've been setting off ammo in them basically everytime. Falcon is especially broken as it handles like a light tank with 110mm of pen a super rapid fire rate. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions.And BTW i also played all three major nations. You can do just as well with a vehicle that has different strengths if you use those strengths correctly. Next is allied CAS which gets thrown out as another massive problem Germany faces, but it really shouldn't be since Germany has objectively the best CAS in the game all the way up to 8.0. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Also .50 cals have too much pen, loosing light tanks and all sorts of AA vehicles to those is no fun, especially if other nation just have to rely on their main guns. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. I am obviously not among the greatest pilots out there but I am decent from what I found on thunderskill and I have to say this is plain wrong. Its not like I am proposing to ram the enemy. The real question would be if you can deny the enemy taking the capture point from long ranges, which would be a resounding no. Side turret is 150mm or higher so angling is really easy as well. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! - East Germany suffers! And I've never lost my barrel to 50s ever in all the time I've played German tanks. Tell me what 6.7 what tanks have penetrating the side of the T series. This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. Are there plans to restructure the the air br system or decomress the br. Thats because the Germans don't have more modern light tanks in the game. Not possible. In Panther? I am obviously a bit salty though, I've played basically every nation in WT except the USA so maybe I'm a bit biased. Noone does the same with panthers. According to this complaint, Germany's mobility is insufficient to be competitive in RB GFs, with the greatest concentration of this complaint being focused on the 5.X range. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. Like this moments when the T95 suddenly reaches the cap point 10 seconds before the match ends. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. How to use automatic gear optimal to get the Panther moving: If you move on flat or rising terrain, roads are an exception, use the 2nd auto gear. Seems many new players fell to this trap. You don't exactly want to pull a pivot turn when in city combat, with it's horrible side armor. On 11/02/2020 at 01:49, Stuhlfleisch said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. In that experience, I have found that German vehicles mobility is adequate and generally competitive with these peers--despite all of the derisive talk you hear otherwise. Does Germany suffer and from what?
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